Accepted Fix the archaic policy surrounding speed exceptions for loyal members of ERT, DSU, and CID.

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Niklaus506th

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The following is a suggestion that compasses multiple policy changes to IPP and JRU within the server. We will start with the current state of JRU and then move onto IPP, finishing with the proposed suggestions.

The essence of emergency response is contingent on the ability to respond swiftly and effectively in critical and often life-threatening situations. The current policy governing the speed limits of emergency vehicles between MPS and NHS, particularly within the Joint Response Unit (JRU), presents operational challenges that necessitate immediate attention and rectification in order to both enhance gameplay and core functions of the unit.

Current Policy and Its Implications:
As it stands, the policy allows Met Officers to exceed the speed limit by 20mph, while Paramedics are permitted an 25mph overage. This discrepancy results in a Paramedics arriving on the scene prior to Police officers, despite the latter's crucial role in securing the environment for safe medical intervention as is outlined in all medical and Policing training in that preservation of life means not putting yourself in avoidable danger.

This policy lacks any legal backing nor real life precedent. In real life Ambulance Services typically limit their drivers to 20mph over which in my research seems to apply to LAS too; whereas most Police Forces and definitely the Met Police there is no upper limit so long as there is a Policing purpose. This is reflected in the driver training both services receive, where universally it is agreed Police are the better trained emergency drivers as they often are trained to drive at speed in highrisk situations such as while in a less visible unmarked vehicle and while in a pursuits. Where as Ambulance driver training makes the assumption you will be driving a quite large, unwieldy vehicle that cannot reach the same speeds as even your lower end Police cars.

This is without even calling into mention the fact that the assumption of deploying a JRU to a scene means that their is an urgent need for medical attention but their is presently a danger that needs neutralising and managing prior to this aid being rendered. This means that in the majority of incidents attended by JRU the onus is on the Police Officer to secure the scene, typically by dealing with a violent person, so that the Paramedic can get to work without risking becoming another casualty. Under current policy, which all but demands the JRU is driven by the Paramedic it creates a oxymoronic scenario where the Officer is expected to secure a scene but the Medic is choosing one of the most important factors in Officer Safety being that positioning. The Officer being the one who has to deal with the threat should be allowed to dictate where the vehicle is parked, how its positioned, how he deploys from it and so on as these factors will largely be decided based off the Officers training and experience dealing with violent inderviduals which the Medic does not have. The Officer may want to position his vehicle close to the casualty, blocking the suspects path to the casualty and the medic with the vehicle, or he may wish to park so that the vehicle is between him and the suspect, allowing him cover and a reactionary gap to deploy his PPE. None of this vital decision making and gameplay loop is encouraged within current policy and instead asks someone with no responsibility, knowledge or training in dealing with violent persons to guess and hope for the best.

The JRU is collaborative initiative between Police and Paramedics, and is designed to manage incidents requiring ongoing security while medical assistance is rendered. The current driving protocol within the JRU undermines the operational effectiveness by compromising the strategic positioning of the vehicle for scene security, which should be under the Police officer's purview. It diminishes the Police officer's active role in incident management, leading to a sense of underutilization and demoralisation in a division which already suffers from atrocious attrition and morale issues. It creates an imbalance in workload distribution, with Paramedics assuming driving responsibilities in addition to their extensive on-scene duties as most JRU scenes are LAS focused.

Their is absolutely no logical backing or precedent in this policy seriously calls into question the rationale behind the existing speed limitations and I would urge a review to be done into whether the 20mph speed limit for the majority of the Policing tree is actually justified. While I understand the necessity to moderate, if the majority of the Ambulance tree can go 25mph over in large LGVs, there is no reason Police, in high performance cars cannot do the same.

This brings me onto IIP. By current policy loyal players within ERT, DSU, and CID are punished to remain at the same maximum speeds from the start of their PMP career until the end of it with the only exception being for ARO. Their loyalty to the server and its divisions that are often overlooked and undervalued, but no less important than RTPC and AFO, is punished by not being given even the basic level of trust to go the same speeds as allowed by the NHS tree and remaining at what they were taught from day 1 of their career. This is in spite of the fact that IIP training (which most of the server has done) in its current form actually involves a fair amount of input about driving safely at speed and doing rapid risk assessments which would ordinarily equip Officers to travel at these higher speeds. It seems utterly ridiculous to myself and many others that divisions such as CID have very very well trained and effective subdivisions such as SCD who respond to some of the highest risk calls on the server...yet do so at the same speeds as a pre-IPP response driver who has just started out in ERT. Again, it is no wonder these divisions often struggle with retention when I would wager many feel patronised by the privileges afforded to AFO and RTPC, especially in regards to driving which is what so much of your time in game is spent doing. As far as I can recall this 20mph rule is one of the few that has never seen any revision of change since it was written in stone long ago.

To address these challenges, I propose the following policy amendments:
1. Speed Limit Adjustment: JRU-trained Police officers should be authorized to exceed the speed limit by 25mph to ensure timely arrival and scene management and to bring it inline with other NHS assets.

2. Driving Priority: JRU-trained Police officers should be given priority in driving the JRU vehicle, allowing them to make tactical decisions on vehicle positioning for optimal scene security and to better balance workload, responsibility and gameplay. This does not mean NHS cannot drive, it just means Police get first dibs and can relinquish it if they so wish.

3. Training Enhancements: Modifications to JRU training should emphasize the Police officer's leadership in scene control until it is deemed safe for medical priorities to take precedence where then the scene would be lead by NHS.

4. Initial Pursuit Phase: Consideration should be made to increasing the speed allowance given to IPP trained drivers to 5-10mph than is currently allowed to reflect their training and responsibility. Standard response as taught by the college can remain at 20mph.

Implementing these changes will yield significant benefits, including:
- Improved coordination and efficiency in emergency response.
- Enhanced safety for both emergency personnel and the public.
- Increased morale and engagement among Police officers within the JRU.
- A more equitable distribution of responsibilities, reducing the risk of fatigue and errors.
- Better morale, responsibility and trust to all Officers who choose to stay loyal to ERT, CID and DSU who are currently the slowest emergency units in the game.
- Absolutely zero requirement for developers to add to their worklist, this just requires a few powerpoints to be amended and could be implemented within 15 minutes.

Im conclusion the proposed policy amendments are not only operationally sound but also align with the broader objectives of the server. I urge you to consider these recommendations and support their implementation to advance our collective mission of having fun.
 
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This synopsis for people who don't want to read it all.


The key points of the suggestion for policy changes regarding the Joint Response Unit (JRU) and Initial Pursuit Phase (IPP) are:

  1. Current Policy Issues: There's a discrepancy in speed limits between Met Officers and Paramedics within JRU, leading to Paramedics arriving on the scene before Police officers, compromising scene security. The current policy lacks legal backing and real-life precedent.
  2. Proposed Changes for JRU:
    • Increase the speed limit for JRU-trained Police officers by 25mph to align with other NHS assets.
    • Give priority to Police officers in driving the JRU vehicle for better scene security and workload balance.
    • Enhance JRU training to emphasize Police officer's leadership in scene control until it's safe for medical priorities.
  3. Proposed Changes for IPP:
    • Consider increasing the speed allowance for IPP-trained drivers by 5-10mph to reflect their training and responsibility.
  4. Expected Benefits:
    • Improved emergency response coordination and efficiency.
    • Enhanced safety for personnel and the public.
    • Increased morale and engagement among Police officers within JRU.
    • Equitable distribution of responsibilities and reduced risk of fatigue and errors.
    • Improved morale, responsibility, and trust for officers in units like ERT, CID, and DSU.
    • Minimal development effort required for implementation.
 
Hello Niklaus506th I'm going to respond to this from my perspective and not that of others, Obviously i welcome other feedback.

"This policy lacks any legal backing nor real life precedent." As you will be aware this is a game, that yes is about Emergency Services, However if everything was done spot on the real life, Trainings would be far longer than they are, Rules would be stricter than what they are. We have to find the balance between what is ideal in real life and what works within the game.

"despite the latter's crucial role in securing the environment for safe medical intervention as is outlined in all medical and Policing training in that preservation of life means not putting yourself in avoidable danger." NHS Paramedics within game are trained if a Scene is not safe that they do not approach the scene, This goes the same for HEMS, The only Part of the NHS That may enter an unsafe scene dependant on the incident is HART. If a scene is too dangerous Paramedics+ will ask for additional assistance from Police and retreat to a safe area.

"assumption of deploying a JRU to a scene means that their is an urgent need for medical attention but their is presently a danger" Not every JRU Call with have a present danger, Some of these calls will be Medical Based however where the calls are for JRU for a Police & Medical Response the paramedic should remain within the vehicle until the scene is declared safe by Police, as per there training.

"Where universally it is agreed Police are the better trained emergency drivers" Within the server we are inclusive of all people who play the game, Why this presents itself as a comment im really unsure. This isn't a Police Vs NHS Competition and shouldn't be treated as one either.

"Where as Ambulance driver training makes the assumption you will be driving a quite large, unwieldy vehicle that cannot reach the same speeds as even your lower end Police cars." Again an assumption whereby within the server Ambulance Crews have the ability to drive both Large Vehicles, alongside Rapid Response Vehicles & JRU Vehicles. NHS Within the server have an additional training in which allows them to make way at slightly greater speeds, However this package teaches them how to drive these vehicles, what speeds they should be approaching corners, Juctions and other trainings within.

"Under current policy, which all but demands the JRU is driven by the Paramedic" Can you please provide me with more information on where this is stated as a rule? As it stands it is currently advised that driving is shared equally between Police & Paramedic, Where Police are able to do Traffic Stops however are not allowed to initiate or attend pursuits. There is no demand for a Paramedic to only drive this vehicle.

"The current driving protocol within the JRU undermines the operational effectiveness by compromising the strategic positioning of the vehicle for scene security, which should be under the Police officer's purview" Why should the positioning of the vehicle only fall down to Police, Fending off from Incidents is something that is taught within NHS Basic Training in the event that an ambulance needs to be used for this, If Police are not driving however wish for the Vehicle to be parked in a specific way then this is where communication would come into play between both JRU Police Officer & JRU Paramedic.

"leading to a sense of underutilization and demoralisation in a division which already suffers from atrocious attrition and morale issues." Again i would like to see where this information has come from, We are aware of the current issues in which JRU Vehicles cannot be accessed however this has been reported, With a Temporary Fix in place to allow for JRU to be utilised in the mean time.

"None of this vital decision making and gameplay loop is encouraged within current policy and instead asks someone with no responsibility, knowledge or training in dealing with violent persons to guess and hope for the best." 90% of Paramedics if not more within the server are also trained in ERT and Other Divisions, Where they would be able to utilise the experience they gain from that to make an assessment of the scene in which they are attending, The above appears to be an assumption that these people have not undergone the same training as everyone else within the server.

"It creates an imbalance in workload distribution, with Paramedics assuming driving responsibilities in addition to their extensive on-scene duties as most JRU scenes are LAS focused." This is where communication comes into play, Whenever a JRU Vehicle is taken out its for the Paramedic & Police Officer to discuss who is driving, This should and always has been suggested should be balanced between both Divisions.

Now i will move onto your suggested fixes for the issues i've replied to above.

Driving Priority: JRU-trained Police officers should be given priority in driving the JRU vehicle, allowing them to make tactical decisions on vehicle positioning for optimal scene security and to better balance workload, responsibility and gameplay. This does not mean NHS cannot drive, it just means Police get first dibs and can relinquish it if they so wish.
- No One should have priority over the another within the vehicle, Driving time should be shared equally between the Paramedic & Police Officer. Both have recieved the same training if they hold both ERT & Paramedic. This isn't a battle of who is better at driving, who can drive faster etc this is about attending scenes safely, using the Training recieved to make sure that preservation of life is at the forefront of any decisions made.

3. Training Enhancements: Modifications to JRU training should emphasize the Police officer's leadership in scene control until it is deemed safe for medical priorities to take precedence where then the scene would be lead by NHS. - Within the NHS Training for JRU it is emphasized that a Paramedic is not allowed to leave the vehicle until such time as the Scene if required is declared safe by the Police Officer. This has and always will be the way this is trained. The following is a Direct Extract from the NHS JRU Training Package: In hostile situations, the paramedic must stay in the vehicle until declared safe.

"- Increased morale and engagement among Police officers within the JRU." We must remember that JRU is not just a single led Division only for Police, There is a shared responsibility for JRU split across 2 Divisions, Police & NHS. If we look at morale and engagement then we need to look at this across both divisions not a singular division.

- A more equitable distribution of responsibilities, reducing the risk of fatigue and errors. - We must remember that this is a game, as much as there is similaritys of that of real life, Fatigue doesn't really come into play within the game.

Again i will clarify this of my opinions on the above statements and does not reflect that of any other Command Member within the NHS or any other tree's.


I cannot comment on any statements relating directly to speeds of ERT Vehicles, DSU, CID or otherwise and will leave this with police command to decide.
 
Hello Niklaus506th I'm going to respond to this from my perspective and not that of others, Obviously i welcome other feedback.

"This policy lacks any legal backing nor real life precedent." As you will be aware this is a game, that yes is about Emergency Services, However if everything was done spot on the real life, Trainings would be far longer than they are, Rules would be stricter than what they are. We have to find the balance between what is ideal in real life and what works within the game.

"despite the latter's crucial role in securing the environment for safe medical intervention as is outlined in all medical and Policing training in that preservation of life means not putting yourself in avoidable danger." NHS Paramedics within game are trained if a Scene is not safe that they do not approach the scene, This goes the same for HEMS, The only Part of the NHS That may enter an unsafe scene dependant on the incident is HART. If a scene is too dangerous Paramedics+ will ask for additional assistance from Police and retreat to a safe area.

"assumption of deploying a JRU to a scene means that their is an urgent need for medical attention but their is presently a danger" Not every JRU Call with have a present danger, Some of these calls will be Medical Based however where the calls are for JRU for a Police & Medical Response the paramedic should remain within the vehicle until the scene is declared safe by Police, as per there training.

"Where universally it is agreed Police are the better trained emergency drivers" Within the server we are inclusive of all people who play the game, Why this presents itself as a comment im really unsure. This isn't a Police Vs NHS Competition and shouldn't be treated as one either.

"Where as Ambulance driver training makes the assumption you will be driving a quite large, unwieldy vehicle that cannot reach the same speeds as even your lower end Police cars." Again an assumption whereby within the server Ambulance Crews have the ability to drive both Large Vehicles, alongside Rapid Response Vehicles & JRU Vehicles. NHS Within the server have an additional training in which allows them to make way at slightly greater speeds, However this package teaches them how to drive these vehicles, what speeds they should be approaching corners, Juctions and other trainings within.

"Under current policy, which all but demands the JRU is driven by the Paramedic" Can you please provide me with more information on where this is stated as a rule? As it stands it is currently advised that driving is shared equally between Police & Paramedic, Where Police are able to do Traffic Stops however are not allowed to initiate or attend pursuits. There is no demand for a Paramedic to only drive this vehicle.

"The current driving protocol within the JRU undermines the operational effectiveness by compromising the strategic positioning of the vehicle for scene security, which should be under the Police officer's purview" Why should the positioning of the vehicle only fall down to Police, Fending off from Incidents is something that is taught within NHS Basic Training in the event that an ambulance needs to be used for this, If Police are not driving however wish for the Vehicle to be parked in a specific way then this is where communication would come into play between both JRU Police Officer & JRU Paramedic.

"leading to a sense of underutilization and demoralisation in a division which already suffers from atrocious attrition and morale issues." Again i would like to see where this information has come from, We are aware of the current issues in which JRU Vehicles cannot be accessed however this has been reported, With a Temporary Fix in place to allow for JRU to be utilised in the mean time.

"None of this vital decision making and gameplay loop is encouraged within current policy and instead asks someone with no responsibility, knowledge or training in dealing with violent persons to guess and hope for the best." 90% of Paramedics if not more within the server are also trained in ERT and Other Divisions, Where they would be able to utilise the experience they gain from that to make an assessment of the scene in which they are attending, The above appears to be an assumption that these people have not undergone the same training as everyone else within the server.

"It creates an imbalance in workload distribution, with Paramedics assuming driving responsibilities in addition to their extensive on-scene duties as most JRU scenes are LAS focused." This is where communication comes into play, Whenever a JRU Vehicle is taken out its for the Paramedic & Police Officer to discuss who is driving, This should and always has been suggested should be balanced between both Divisions.

Now i will move onto your suggested fixes for the issues i've replied to above.

Driving Priority: JRU-trained Police officers should be given priority in driving the JRU vehicle, allowing them to make tactical decisions on vehicle positioning for optimal scene security and to better balance workload, responsibility and gameplay. This does not mean NHS cannot drive, it just means Police get first dibs and can relinquish it if they so wish.
- No One should have priority over the another within the vehicle, Driving time should be shared equally between the Paramedic & Police Officer. Both have recieved the same training if they hold both ERT & Paramedic. This isn't a battle of who is better at driving, who can drive faster etc this is about attending scenes safely, using the Training recieved to make sure that preservation of life is at the forefront of any decisions made.

3. Training Enhancements: Modifications to JRU training should emphasize the Police officer's leadership in scene control until it is deemed safe for medical priorities to take precedence where then the scene would be lead by NHS. - Within the NHS Training for JRU it is emphasized that a Paramedic is not allowed to leave the vehicle until such time as the Scene if required is declared safe by the Police Officer. This has and always will be the way this is trained. The following is a Direct Extract from the NHS JRU Training Package: In hostile situations, the paramedic must stay in the vehicle until declared safe.

"- Increased morale and engagement among Police officers within the JRU." We must remember that JRU is not just a single led Division only for Police, There is a shared responsibility for JRU split across 2 Divisions, Police & NHS. If we look at morale and engagement then we need to look at this across both divisions not a singular division.

- A more equitable distribution of responsibilities, reducing the risk of fatigue and errors. - We must remember that this is a game, as much as there is similaritys of that of real life, Fatigue doesn't really come into play within the game.

Again i will clarify this of my opinions on the above statements and does not reflect that of any other Command Member within the NHS or any other tree's.


I cannot comment on any statements relating directly to speeds of ERT Vehicles, DSU, CID or otherwise and will leave this with police command to decide.
I appreciate you addressing my points in such great detail. That shows that you both read, understood and thought about much of my argument before coming to your decision which is commendable and genuinely appreciated rather than palming it off without any given reason. I see you asked for clarity throughout on various points I made but as I can see your decision has been made regarding the JRU changes I will treat these as rhetorical as there is little sense in wasting time clarifying if the sunken ship has sunk or not. I can only hope the response from Police command regarding IPP is as thorough. :)
 
Good Afternoon

Thank you for your suggestion. As Boyle stated our reply won't be nearly as comprehensive as Kilteds as he has stated a lot of the same points we want to make.

As SPC, we do continuously monitor speed and driver levels to make sure they are operationally suitable. You have made some great points however, so from today, ERT IPP and JRU will receive a 5mph raise to their speedlimits, allowing them to go 25mph above the speed limit where safe to do so. This will solely cover IPP.

With that, I will move this suggestion to accepted

Many thanks

(C1) Kior12
Asst. Comm.
 
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